Professor Christina Pagel speaks to Jon Snow from Channel 4 about getting off the track we are on now, and cutting contacts for a week.
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Professor Christina Pagel speaks to Jon Snow from Channel 4 about getting off the track we are on now, and cutting contacts for a week.